As per the ACLU and numerous other sources, legal, media and otherwise, the current provisions to be proposed for the NDAA allow the military to detain ANYONE(US citizens included) ANYWHERE(including your own home) for, more or less, any reason.

Insanity, right? No way this could pass.... then it passed the Senate. The White House is claiming it will veto it with these provisions in it. Maybe we misjudged Obama? Maybe he isn't working for the FedRes? Maybe he is protecting the American people? Maybe.....

The ACLU regarding the NDAA: http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/behind-closed-doors-congress-trying-force-indefinite-detention-bill-americans

Just before Senate approval: http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDAA

Recommendation to include the Udall Amendment: http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

Reference to the Feinstein Amendment: https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA

What does this all mean? The ACLU, oh protectors of our liberties, are telling us this bill does give the incredible power of indiscriminate and indefinite detention to the military and then tells us, WAIT, there is another option. Get your congressman to have this included on it and offers the two amendments, Udall and Feinstein.

What do these amendments offer? That the sweeping power in the bill be applicable only to those captured OUTSIDE the US, because, after all, foreigners don't have our rights, right? Then those taken into custody, presumably by law enforcement, don't HAVE to be put into military custody, meaning they can decide to let it stay criminal..... OR make you their detainee, their choice. Oh, and it allows for a Congressional review in regards to detentions of US citizens. That'll protect us, right? If the military isn't FORCED to detain US suspects and if Congress will review those cases of citizens to be detained, well, now that isn't a violation, right? So long as we don't mandate the military indefinitely detain US citizens, we only give them the choice to and so long as Congress can review it and decide whether or not to indefinitely detain a citizen instead of leaving it all to the POTUS and the military... well now, that's more like the American spirit. Now you have a chance of only being detained long enough for the military to decide whether or not to take you and for Congress to decide if they should.....

This is a bait and switch if anything ever was... but in reverse.

Here's what they are doing: We want to be able to detain ANYONE without question and without a determined amount of time no matter of absence of charge or rights.

We think: Never, that's terrible, how could you even think that....

They recant with: Well, how about if we don't make it mandatory that the military detains you and allow Congress to review the case for your detention?

Us: That's better, so long as it isn't automatically done, as long as you have a process....

Me: Fuck that. You don't have the POWER to EVER detain ME indefinitely, WITH or WITHOUT charge because I AM A GODDAMN US CITIZEN and more importantly, I AM A FUCKING HUMAN. NO TO THE WHOLE FUCKING TRAVESTY. You MAY NOT detain me indefinitely, no matter what PROCESS you use. FUCK OFF AND BURN YOU TREASONOUS PIG-FACED FAT-ASSES.

The Project: All Senators are now traitors to the People. Every Senator that voted to pass that bill, you are enemies of the People and no quarter will be given if and when you start the war against us. We will know who voted for it and we will not have mercy. POTUS, the House, the DoD... you have a responsibility to arrest and charge those men and women who voted in favor of stripping the US citizen of their Rights. You have a responsibility to remove them from their chairs, sit them in a jail cell, try them for high treason and hang them by their necks until dead if found guilty by the People. Get to it or we will in the end.

Admin wrote:As per the ACLU and numerous other sources, legal, media and otherwise, the current provisions to be proposed for the NDAA allow the military to detain ANYONE(US citizens included) ANYWHERE(including your own home) for, more or less, any reason.

Insanity, right? No way this could pass.... then it passed the Senate. The White House is claiming it will veto it with these provisions in it. Maybe we misjudged Obama? Maybe he isn't working for the FedRes? Maybe he is protecting the American people? Maybe.....

The ACLU regarding the NDAA: http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/behind-closed-doors-congress-trying-force-indefinite-detention-bill-americans

Just before Senate approval: http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDAA

Recommendation to include the Udall Amendment: http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

Reference to the Feinstein Amendment: https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA

What does this all mean? The ACLU, oh protectors of our liberties, are telling us this bill does give the incredible power of indiscriminate and indefinite detention to the military and then tells us, WAIT, there is another option. Get your congressman to have this included on it and offers the two amendments, Udall and Feinstein.

What do these amendments offer? That the sweeping power in the bill be applicable only to those captured OUTSIDE the US, because, after all, foreigners don't have our rights, right? Then those taken into custody, presumably by law enforcement, don't HAVE to be put into military custody, meaning they can decide to let it stay criminal..... OR make you their detainee, their choice. Oh, and it allows for a Congressional review in regards to detentions of US citizens. That'll protect us, right? If the military isn't FORCED to detain US suspects and if Congress will review those cases of citizens to be detained, well, now that isn't a violation, right? So long as we don't mandate the military indefinitely detain US citizens, we only give them the choice to and so long as Congress can review it and decide whether or not to indefinitely detain a citizen instead of leaving it all to the POTUS and the military... well now, that's more like the American spirit. Now you have a chance of only being detained long enough for the military to decide whether or not to take you and for Congress to decide if they should.....

This is a bait and switch if anything ever was... but in reverse.

Here's what they are doing: We want to be able to detain ANYONE without question and without a determined amount of time no matter of absence of charge or rights.

We think: Never, that's terrible, how could you even think that....

They recant with: Well, how about if we don't make it mandatory that the military detains you and allow Congress to review the case for your detention?

Us: That's better, so long as it isn't automatically done, as long as you have a process....

Me: Fuck that. You don't have the POWER to EVER detain ME indefinitely, WITH or WITHOUT charge because I AM A GODDAMN US CITIZEN and more importantly, I AM A FUCKING HUMAN. NO TO THE WHOLE FUCKING TRAVESTY. You MAY NOT detain me indefinitely, no matter what PROCESS you use. FUCK OFF AND BURN YOU TREASONOUS PIG-FACED FAT-ASSES.

The Project: All Senators are now traitors to the People. Every Senator that voted to pass that bill, you are enemies of the People and no quarter will be given if and when you start the war against us. We will know who voted for it and we will not have mercy. POTUS, the House, the DoD... you have a responsibility to arrest and charge those men and women who voted in favor of stripping the US citizen of their Rights. You have a responsibility to remove them from their chairs, sit them in a jail cell, try them for high treason and hang them by their necks until dead if found guilty by the People. Get to it or we will in the end.

2nded!

Here is the roll call from the Senate with their votes: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00230

And the House, those who voted for this bill: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

While this may not be an outright declaration of war, it is becoming all too apparent that Congress is not listening to their constituents, instead voting in favor of expanding Federal influence and power.

Once Obama refuses to veto, we will have a complete list of VERIFIED national terrorists, those who have committed high treason against the People and the Constitution and have, due to this bill in conjunction with other actions, committed acts of war against the People and the Constitution, putting their fates well within the ESTABLISHED and ACCEPTED jurisdiction of military justice, affording them NO due process beyond detainment until brought before a tribunal for war crimes and high treason.

Don't call you Congressman. Call your governor, demand that they send in the National Guard to arrest and detain these miscreants. Call your brother, sister, son, daughter, niece, nephew, cousin, friend and remind them of their oath and demand the military see that the Constitution is preserved and that, for the first time in over a century, they act in accordance, without doubt or question, with their oath, their Primary Orders to defend the Constitution from DOMESTIC enemies such as these.